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7 years 8 months ago #168899
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that is a really nice collection of natural rocks you have there
just because Ed held it doesnt mean it is what YOU think it is,what did he say about it?
i have to agree with the others,you need to stop wasting every ones time by posting natural rocks that show no intentional human manipulation
just because Ed held it doesnt mean it is what YOU think it is,what did he say about it?
i have to agree with the others,you need to stop wasting every ones time by posting natural rocks that show no intentional human manipulation
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7 years 8 months ago #168901
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I took the turtle on nov, 1 2014 to the museum of Indian culture where Lee Hallman and his colleagues authenticated it as a Native American Pictograph.anyone know Lee? He is a the curator of the museum and said its real from 1700s more than likely and it is absolutely priceless...Ed was more impressed with the guy heckling him in the SARC about how he takes other peoples finds and declares them his! That was the impression I got of Ed he never found a Pictograph without someone pointing it out to him lol anyhow glad I can still stir things up in here!
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7 years 8 months ago #168906
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I've known Lee Hallman for over 20 years. How can I contact Ed Lenik to examine my catlinite tablet pictograph. Here P.A.H.
, is a true pictograph, or rock art petroglyph from Mass. I showed it recently, but I'll add a photo again for PAH to see what they should look like. One photo covered in white powder to enhance the details.
, is a true pictograph, or rock art petroglyph from Mass. I showed it recently, but I'll add a photo again for PAH to see what they should look like. One photo covered in white powder to enhance the details.
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7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #168909
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That's a beauty. His latest work just went to the printers, and will have a couple of my artifacts in it. A portable petroglyph and a sandstone effigy. Please check your PM's Paul. I am sending you Ed's contact info.
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pkfrey wrote: I've known Lee Hallman for over 20 years. How can I contact Ed Lenik to examine my catlinite tablet pictograph. Here P.A.H.
, is a true pictograph, or rock art petroglyph from Mass. I showed it recently, but I'll add a photo again for PAH to see what they should look like. One photo covered in white powder to enhance the details.
That's a beauty. His latest work just went to the printers, and will have a couple of my artifacts in it. A portable petroglyph and a sandstone effigy. Please check your PM's Paul. I am sending you Ed's contact info.
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7 years 8 months ago #168910
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PaArtifactHunter, your rock art is nothing more than iron deposits from the field equipment striking them and the metal turning to iron oxide. The different colors are just the stages of oxidation with the dark streaks being more recent than the red streaks. The dark streaks will turn red over time. I have personally witnessed this with a large knife I found that had been struck with a plow leaving a shiny iron streak on the surface. Through the years the streak has changed to a dark streak and is now turning red in color.
As for the mortar rock, just a couple passes from the cultivator can leave all those marks which is what has happened in this case. I do see what appears to be a Brontosaurus etched in white above the mid line scrape. You will know without a doubt when you find a piece of rock art. I think you are just looking for shapes in clouds when looking for rock art.
As for the mortar rock, just a couple passes from the cultivator can leave all those marks which is what has happened in this case. I do see what appears to be a Brontosaurus etched in white above the mid line scrape. You will know without a doubt when you find a piece of rock art. I think you are just looking for shapes in clouds when looking for rock art.
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I don't hate, and I don't like the fact that I was brusque. However, time and again we experience posters who dismiss what experienced folks offer, and instead just plunge ahead with a fantasy of the imagination. And that gives the impression that the poster is not in the least bit interested in an education on the matter. I don't hate you at all. When folks provide astute observation, and the first reply is another rock, it tells me we are talking to the wall. It gets very, very tiresome, and I showed my impatience with this as a result. If someone doesn't say it, I'm sure we would just continue to see a parade of similar rocks with natural markings.
What I get impatient with, even intolerant of, is the replies that clearly say everything is going in one ear and out the other. All that said, of course I do respect your right to entertain misinformed opinions regarding pictographs. I don't know why someone would prefer to hold onto error, but I respect your right to choose error over fact.
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PaArtifactHunter wrote: I met Ed a few years ago at the SARC he was checking out the pictographs and petrolyphs in the nicholson pa area very near where I find my artifacts...don't hate! it is what it is! check out the pictographs in the SARC...Ed held my turtle pictograph lol
I don't hate, and I don't like the fact that I was brusque. However, time and again we experience posters who dismiss what experienced folks offer, and instead just plunge ahead with a fantasy of the imagination. And that gives the impression that the poster is not in the least bit interested in an education on the matter. I don't hate you at all. When folks provide astute observation, and the first reply is another rock, it tells me we are talking to the wall. It gets very, very tiresome, and I showed my impatience with this as a result. If someone doesn't say it, I'm sure we would just continue to see a parade of similar rocks with natural markings.
What I get impatient with, even intolerant of, is the replies that clearly say everything is going in one ear and out the other. All that said, of course I do respect your right to entertain misinformed opinions regarding pictographs. I don't know why someone would prefer to hold onto error, but I respect your right to choose error over fact.
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7 years 8 months ago #168912
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CMD,very well said
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CMD wrote:
PaArtifactHunter wrote: I met Ed a few years ago at the SARC he was checking out the pictographs and petrolyphs in the nicholson pa area very near where I find my artifacts...don't hate! it is what it is! check out the pictographs in the SARC...Ed held my turtle pictograph lol
I don't hate, and I don't like the fact that I was brusque. However, time and again we experience posters who dismiss what experienced folks offer, and instead just plunge ahead with a fantasy of the imagination. And that gives the impression that the poster is not in the least bit interested in an education on the matter. I don't hate you at all. When folks provide astute observation, and the first reply is another rock, it tells me we are talking to the wall. It gets very, very tiresome, and I showed my impatience with this as a result. If someone doesn't say it, I'm sure we would just continue to see a parade of similar rocks with natural markings.
What I get impatient with, even intolerant of, is the replies that clearly say everything is going in one ear and out the other. All that said, of course I do respect your right to entertain misinformed opinions regarding pictographs. I don't know why someone would prefer to hold onto error, but I respect your right to choose error over fact.
CMD,very well said
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7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #168915
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What you're saying about Ed is absurd. And I strongly suspect Hallman was just humoring you, since your turtle was not a pictograph at all that we could see. Most likely Hallman, et al, humored you so you would just leave happy. Probably detected that they better tell you it was what you thought it was or you would berate them for the remainder of their day. Of course you deleted all images of the painted turtle as a search just revealed. Hallman was humoring you, son.
Do you have any idea what Ed Lenik's credentials are? Any at all? This short synopsis of a recent book describes those credentials. The foremost authority on rock art in the Northeast Woodlands and past President of the Eastern States Archaeological Federation. You, on the other hand, sound like someone who reads a book on anatomy and decides he's qualified to be a brain surgeon.
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PaArtifactHunter wrote: I took the turtle on nov, 1 2014 to the museum of Indian culture where Lee Hallman and his colleagues authenticated it as a Native American Pictograph.anyone know Lee? He is a the curator of the museum and said its real from 1700s more than likely and it is absolutely priceless...Ed was more impressed with the guy heckling him in the SARC about how he takes other peoples finds and declares them his! That was the impression I got of Ed he never found a Pictograph without someone pointing it out to him lol anyhow glad I can still stir things up in here!
What you're saying about Ed is absurd. And I strongly suspect Hallman was just humoring you, since your turtle was not a pictograph at all that we could see. Most likely Hallman, et al, humored you so you would just leave happy. Probably detected that they better tell you it was what you thought it was or you would berate them for the remainder of their day. Of course you deleted all images of the painted turtle as a search just revealed. Hallman was humoring you, son.
Do you have any idea what Ed Lenik's credentials are? Any at all? This short synopsis of a recent book describes those credentials. The foremost authority on rock art in the Northeast Woodlands and past President of the Eastern States Archaeological Federation. You, on the other hand, sound like someone who reads a book on anatomy and decides he's qualified to be a brain surgeon.
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